Donald Trump’s legal defense, set up by Rudy Guiliani, hinges on the idea that special counsel Robert Mueller is going to set up a “perjury trap” that gets the President into trouble. Former Federal Prosecutor Glenn Kirshner completely destroyed that legal defense using nothing but a paper coffee cup.
Appearing on MSNBC with David Guara, Kirshner quickly demonstrated how flimsy Trump’s defense strategy is on the surface.
“The back and forth continues between President Trump’s legal team and special counsel Robert Mueller, will the president sit down for an interview or not? This week the president’s lawyers rejected Mueller’s terms, saying they considered questions about obstruction of justice to be legally inappropriate,” the host said.
Can I just unpack the loaded term perjury trap for a moment? It’s one of Mr. Giuliani’s favorite refrains, that the president won’t sit down because Mr. Mueller because Mr. Mueller has set a perjury trap.”
“Let me use an example, let’s assume that Mr. Mueller is trying to determine whether I had a cup of coffee on set today.
He interviews the cameraman, he interviews the gentleman who mic’d me up, interviews the makeup artist who did her best to make me camera-ready this morning and he has a pretty good picture of the evidence supporting the notion that I had a cup of coffee this morning.
He then invites me in for an interview and I sit down and I say, ‘I did not have a cup of coffee this morning,’ Mr. Giuliani would call that a perjury trap.”
“If it’s a perjury trap, it doesn’t take Houdini to escape from it, all you have to do is tell the truth.”
Here’s the full interview:
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