Famed comedic magician Penn Jillette said he witnessed Donald Trump making racist comments during his time on Celebrity Apprentice, and that he believes producer Mark Burnett has recordings that can prove it.
Trump tweeted on Tuesday that Burnett has assured him no such tapes exist.
In an interview with Vulture, Jillette said Trump “would say racially insensitive things that made me uncomfortable.” Jillette described “those two hours every other day in a room” with Trump “every ten minutes” was like “fingernails on chalkboard.”
Jillette said that if Trump were not the president, he would give details, but because Trump is the president, “the stakes are really high” and he would be an “unreliable narrator.”
“I am an unreliable narrator. What I do, as much as anything, is I’m a storyteller. And storytellers are liars. So I can emotionally tell you things that happened racially, sexually, and that showed stupidity and lack of compassion when I was in the room with Donald Trump and I guarantee you that I will get details wrong.”
“Nothing I can say here hurts my career. But for the world the stakes are higher,” he told Vulture. “And what I’m trying to do here is tell you the story emotionally without telling you specifics. I would not feel comfortable talking about what I felt I saw in that room — because when I was on that show I was sleeping four to five hours a night. I was uncomfortable. ‘Stress’ is the wrong word, but I was not at my best.”
Jillette added that Trump would “ask one cast member if he’d rather have sex with this woman or that woman.”
Trump has been plagued by secret recordings made by associates, including his former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen and former White House aide and thrice Apprentice contestant Omarosa Manigault-Newman.
Trump referred to Newman as a “dog” on Tuesday after tapes surfaced of Trump cohorts discussing how to handle the fallout of Trump’s use of the n-word.
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