Until he publicly hooked up with Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani had the well deserved reputation as an honest law and order kind of guy. He was the federal prosecutor who put away countless mobsters and took down cheating masters of the universe on Wall Street. As mayor of New York he guided the city through the horror of 9/11 and made Times Square and the city in general visitable again by cracking down on crime.
The current vintage of Rudy is a much different animal. Since November 2020 Giuliani has spent many of his waking hours in front of microphones spinning fantastical tales of stolen elections, voting machines compromised by foreign governments and a sinister plot by the “deep state” to prevent his New York pal from being re-elected. But it appears that Giuliani has been warming up to the art of prevarication as a means to getting what you want for at least a couple of years.
The transcript of an interview FBI agents conducted with Giuliani in 2018, obtained by The Washington Post, reveals that the former prosecutor told his interviewers that it’s okay to “throw a fake” when campaigning. His then-law partner, seconded that emotion, telling investigators, “there’s no obligation to tell the truth.”
Giuliani’s comments came in a 2018 interview with agents for the Justice Department inspector general, conducted in a room at Trump’s hotel in downtown Washington. The Project on Government Oversight, a government watchdog group, sued for a copy of the interview transcript and provided it to The Washington Post on Wednesday.
Disclosure of his fungible view of the truth comes as Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Lin Wood and others are facing possible court sanctions for making unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election.
During the February 2018 interview to try to determine if FBI agents had leaked him sensitive information, Giuliani’s then-law partner and counselor, Marc Mukasey, opined that the standards for truth-telling are different in electoral politics than in legal matters.
“In the heat of a political campaign, on television, I’m not saying Rudy necessarily, but everybody embellishes everything,” Mukasey said.
“Oh, you could throw a fake,” added Giuliani.
“You’re under no obligation to tell the truth,” Mukasey replies, according to the transcript. To which Giuliani repeats, “You could throw a fake.”
An agent then said, “Fake news, right?”
Mukasey replied, “Right.”